Study Material for 70-291

bodie37 · #1 04-Apr-2008, 04:49 PM

At the moment I'm using the MSPress and also Mike Myres (sp) passport book.

I've also got VMWare setup with a couple 2003 Servers

Can anybody recommend anymore decent study material I can use

WSUS is not covered in the MSPress book so I will be searching the net for decent material to cover that

Cheers in advance

PS I have just come to the end of my 2 years wilth NITLC and to frank it was a waste of £4,000. I only used the support once and did not attend any workshops. The one exam which I feel needs a workshop is the 70-291 but they do not do one for this. A big mistake in my mind because it is such a hard exam.

NightWalker · #2 04-Apr-2008, 05:58 PM

I used the same books for 291 and the TestOut CBT stuff. 291 is hard because there is a lot of stuff to remember. My two years with NITLC expired 12 months ago, I have my MCSA and 293, working on 284 at the moment, still have 294 and 297 to do to get my MCSE. I went on all the workshops, but I really dont think I would have stuck at it if I hadnt spent the £££s.

WSUS is pretty easy. Download and install it, click around and you will know all there is to know in a few hours. Its just like SUS but you can group the client PCs. I think I found a paper on the Microsoft site that explained it all, have a Google around, you should be able to find it.

onoski · #3 04-Apr-2008, 05:59 PM

The MS Press book if that is the second edition then you're set as its all you need for this exam. However, you can also go ahead supplement with Sybex as a second book as two is usually reasonable.

Best wishes with this exam as I too am preparing for this exam in the next few months. What are you going to use as a practice test engine exam i.e. measureup, preplogic or transcender.

NightWalker · #4 04-Apr-2008, 06:04 PM

I used measureup, transcender and testout for 291.

bodie37 · #5 04-Apr-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NightWalker

I used the same books for 291 and the TestOut CBT stuff. 291 is hard because there is a lot of stuff to remember. My two years with NITLC expired 12 months ago, I have my MCSA and 293, working on 284 at the moment, still have 294 and 297 to do to get my MCSE. I went on all the workshops, but I really dont think I would have stuck at it if I hadnt spent the £££s.

WSUS is pretty easy. Download and install it, click around and you will know all there is to know in a few hours. Its just like SUS but you can group the client PCs. I think I found a paper on the Microsoft site that explained it all, have a Google around, you should be able to find it.

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Thats the main reason why I used NITLC spend the pounds so I would stick to it and not give up

bodie37 · #6 04-Apr-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by onoski

The MS Press book if that is the second edition then you're set as its all you need for this exam. However, you can also go ahead supplement with Sybex as a second book as two is usually reasonable.

Best wishes with this exam as I too am preparing it this exam in the next few months. What are you going to use as a practice test engine exam i.e. measureup, preplogic or transcender.

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Used measureup and Transcender

Modey · #7 05-Apr-2008, 04:03 PM

I thought the Sybex 291 book was good. I also used Transcender and Measureup.

Mr Machfisto · #8 06-Apr-2008, 08:54 AM

Hold on a minute, you think it waste of money because you only used support once and never went to a workshop?

Well who's the fool there?

I am with the same provider and I use the support 4 or 5 times a week and have been to most of the workshops. In my eyes I think it is money well spent and I made sure I utilised every bit of resource available to me.

Soory to be harsh, but you get what you pay for if you use it correctly.

MrM

**BosonMichael** · #9 06-Apr-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Machfisto

Well who's the fool there?

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You, if you continue to attack members of this forum by calling them fools.

Name calling *really* doesn't help strengthen your argument. There are plenty of other ways to tell someone that they made a mistake than by calling them fools.

"Sorry to be harsh", but if you expect to be treated with respect, then you should do the same.

bodie37 · #10 06-Apr-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Machfisto

Hold on a minute, you think it waste of money because you only used support once and never went to a workshop?

Well who's the fool there?

I am with the same provider and I use the support 4 or 5 times a week and have been to most of the workshops. In my eyes I think it is money well spent and I made sure I utilised every bit of resource available to me.

Soory to be harsh, but you get what you pay for if you use it correctly.

MrM

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Right, for a start I did not need to attend the workshops as I'm in IT already and have been for over 15 years. The 70-291 is a beast and in my role (which is ICT Manager) we only have one site with a single domain, RRAS is handled by a Netscreen Firewall with VPN and quite alot of support is with a third party company. So much of 70-291 is new to me hence the fail. This is why I'm trying to get MSCA/E certification so I can move my career on to the next level.

The point I was trying to make as that 70-291 is an exam that is know to be one of the hardest that Microsoft do and to not have a workshop for it is quite poor IMHO.

NITLC have not done anything really to warrent £4,500 of my hard earnt money (my company refused to support me in my training, another reason for leaving). But it was my choice because I knew that if I did not spend the money then I would not complete the course.

The salesman even used the line that this is a last chance to join as there are only a few places left. Something now that I know is a lie.

Perhaps in future you should find out before hand people's circumstances before calling them a fool!!!

**Sparky** · #11 06-Apr-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bodie37

Right, for a start I did not need to attend the workshops as I'm in IT already and have been for over 15 years. The 70-291 is a beast and in my role (which is ICT Manager) we only have one site with a single domain, RRAS is handled by a Netscreen Firewall with VPN and quite alot of support is with a third party company. So much of 70-291 is new to me hence the fail. This is why I'm trying to get MSCA/E certification so I can move my career on to the next level.

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To get your moneys worth you should be on the phone asking questions about the 70-291 and also sending emails to the tutors. Do you really expect them to contact you and create work for themselves?

The 70-291 is a beast of an exam, I failed it first time as well but it is passable. Just focus on your weak areas and I’m sure you will be fine next time.

In regard to your work if your network is so small why do you need outsourced support? Ditch them when the contract is up and take it on yourself, it’s the best way to learn.

bodie37 · #12 06-Apr-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BosonMichael

You, if you continue to attack members of this forum by calling them fools.

Name calling *really* doesn't help strengthen your argument. There are plenty of other ways to tell someone that they made a mistake than by calling them fools.

"Sorry to be harsh", but if you expect to be treated with respect, then you should do the same.

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Thank you

Just to mention that I've ordered the Sybex book. I was reading some reviews on Amazon and a few people really slate the MSPress 70-291 study book

**Sparky** · #13 06-Apr-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bodie37

Thank you

Just to mention that I've ordered the Sybex book. I was reading some reviews on Amazon and a few people really slate the MSPress 70-291 study book

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Also worth looking at the material for WSUS on technet. Helped me out for the exam.

**BosonMichael** · #14 07-Apr-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bodie37

Thank you

Just to mention that I've ordered the Sybex book. I was reading some reviews on Amazon and a few people really slate the MSPress 70-291 study book

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Sounds to me like you're doing the wise thing: doing your research by checking reviews beforehand.

Keep us posted on your study progress!

Mr Machfisto · #15 07-Apr-2008, 07:10 AM

Dear all

I do apolgise that my 'fool' comments have been taken out of context, and I retract the comment.

Sparky is right though, you should have used support to help you through the beast exam.

Also I don't understand why you paid over £4000 knowing the workshops were included and you didn't need them, I would of gone for a course without the workshops. I have found them very useful, and even though I didn't really need them I made the effort to go as I knew I was paying for them, I also learn't quite a bit as well.

You do get what you pay for this day and age if use the services offered properly. I admit I have never been contacted by NITLC, but like one of you guys said, why would NITLC make work for themselves. If they have over 5000 students on board, it would take 13 years to ring 1 student per day. I always rang them and was extremely happy with the support I recieved.

I am sorry that it hasn't worked out for you Bodie, but don't put all of the blame on the TP, maybe self study was the way forward for you.

MrM