Task 4 - Add client to domain and set up DHCP

[flex22]

Firstly, install DHCP.

Use the following address range:

192.168.0.1 - 192.168.0.255

Then add your client machine to the domain.

[Cartman]

Positive start mate. However I looked at the state in which we left the server and the client (basically unchanged since Nov/Dec last year, lol)

Server IP address is 172.16.10.1
Client IP address is 172.16.10.2

So my obvious thought is the DHCP scope should be 172.16.10.2 - 172.16.10.254 (don't think you can use 255).

However thinking about it further, wondering if you allocated the scope as you suggested, would it work? So, doing the best thing I could think of, try it!!
(1/2 hour later......) Couldn't get it to work, not sure of the reason apart from the clash of subnets. Tried to specify default gateways etc, but the two computers just aint talking. Considering marriage guidance now.....

Sorry to be a pain the butt, Flex.

[SiFor]

I'm using a different IP range to both the above to keep with my current network config.

What are the main goals for this task, is it to install DHCP and the client?

[flex22]

Sorry I only just reply cartman, for some reason i never saw your reply till now.
Like Si asks, this is my point really.To be honest the point of the task is to install DHCP and then to add your client.
I suppose in that sense you can use which numbers you wish.I should have specified this.My point is the numbers I give are just a guide, I think this is the way to go, maybe not, who knows.

I have been reading up on cabling the last few days in my cabling book because I went for a cabling job, so thereforeI havent yet done this task.

Fear not fellow certification pilgrims, I shall endeavour to sort this tomorrow.

Maybe we do needthe same IP adds all round, maybe not, but in the sense of what this task is to accomplish then Idon't see how it matetr so much.

Hope Iexplain ok.

Thanks

[Cartman]

I agree we dont necessarily need the same scopes - thats understood. Just wondered if anyone knew the answer to the thing I tried was all.

[Nelix]

Did you change the scope in the DHCP MMC? also, did you change the static IP of the DHCP server/DC aswell?

[Cartman]

Yes, set up the scope in the DHCP snap in, but kept the static IP address of the server the same. Also fiddled about with default gateways as well to get the thing to work, but no dice.

Would be interesting to know the answer, but it's no biggie, I can get the thing to work using the same subnet scope to succeed in connecting the client to the server domain, so I guess that'll be sufficient.

[flex22]

Muchos apologeticos, but just got around to starting this

Ok, now I gone to install the DHCP in Windows components, but it says that I need a static IP before I can use this server as a DHCP server.

I'm assuming that you should use the first IP address in the range, don't know if this matetrs all that much.
Any advice please

One more thing, for now, also.I see that WINS and DNS are marked in the details section along with DHCP.
This is because thery're not yet installed, and you need these before you can have DHCP working.But why, I'm not sure about this, just need to check.
Any advice please

I will think about your problem Cartman, I'm just not sure about this, sorry mate.I don't think you can use 255 number because it's for broadcasting I think, I will look into this for you, and hopefully get an answer.I've got the big fat server book weighing down my table right now, honest i have, what do you want pictures for proof

Ok advice, come on guru's.

I will report back shortly.

Thanks

[flex22]

OK, I have installed DHCP and gone along with the example in my study guide.
Strange thing has happened though.
I haven't yet installed AD on this server.My guide says that to authorize DHCP server in AD, right-click the server and click authorize.

I tried that, but there's no option to authorize.I think the option isn't there because I don't have AD installed.

My guide says that if the DHCP server hasn't been authorized, a red arrow pointing down will be next to my server name.
My guide says that if the DHCP server is authorized then there will be a green sign pointing upwards.

Next to my server name there is a green signing pointing upwards.
How can this be though :?: , as I haven't yet installed AD or authorized my server.

:?:

[Jakamoko]

I believe you can run the DHCP service on a standalone Server, Flex.

HTH

[flex22]

Ok, thought this was it.If I installed AD then I would get the red arrow pointing down I am sure, until I authorize it.
I get it now, thanks Jakamoko.

This is all going well now, I have set the server up, now for the client.One thing though, I am confused about VMWare and what it does with DHCP.
You see, when going through the DHCP setting up wizard, it asked me for a router address for the clients to sue in order to egt to the DHCP server.
Ijust put what waas in my study guide example, which is probably no good, lol.

I need a bit of help here.With VMWare we conenct machines to a switch right.If machines are connected to the same switch, i.e switch 4, this is representing that they're all on the same subnet.

That's

Right so my thinking is that VMWare has a DHCP section because it gives new machines an address automatically.
OK, can't go much further because I'm slightly not sure how this works.

I want to practice DHCP on Windows 2000, but if VM is giving out IP adds, then won't my client just get it's IP from VM and not my 2000 server.

I'm muddled on this one, help

[SiFor]

Hi, havent had chance to do this task yet but seems pretty straight forward. I couldnt be around for the chat so dont know what went down there either. Is the plan just to install DHCP or was there more to it?

[flex22]

I'll set the task out by examining my study guide and seeing what is required.The 210 and 215 books don't go into advanced DHCP stuff like setting scope options etc, so I haven't included that for the task.

The task is to install, configure DHCP with a scope, and then get the client to use one of those addresses.

It doesen't matter where the discussion goes, how advanced it gets, what asides are mentioned.
The best thing is that a simple task set out raises questions.I have found that setting out on this simple task has arisen many questions in my mind, and I'm actively learning, instead of passively.This is the goal of this project.I wish I ahd started this ages ago, to be honest, I've wasted most of last year passively learning.

One question for example, for now:

I have set up DHCP with the scope.My server doesn't have AD installed.Jakamoko mentioned that you can have a stand-alone server running DHCP, without AD installed.
So I thought to myself well I'll try it without AD for now then.
Question is this.I have just decided to get my client to use one of the addresses in the new DHCP scope.
But I thought to myself how can my client get an address when it doesn't have an account in AD.This was wrong thinking.I have just remembered that DHCP broadcasts straight to the DHCP server, therefore it will work on a network without AD.
So I've answered my own question there.

Also my client is already up and running.

Two questions came to me:

My client already has an IP address from a previous DHCP server, so how do I change it?

How can I check that the new IP address is from the new scope.

From checking my books, it seems that the ipconfig command will let me renew an IP address from a DHCP server, and also check my IP configuration.

I will study this further, because I'm not exactly sure right now what are the exact correct switches.I will report back my findings.

[flex22]

By jove I've done it :P

I configured my VM client to use VM switch 4 which is what my DHCP server is connected to.

I started up the VM client and then ran the ipconfig command from within the command shell.

Disaster though.Well not quite.The ipconfig command wasn't recognized, when it clearly is a legitimate command.
The reason for this was that my client machine has been configured for Java, therefore I had changed the path within the environment variables.
I decided that because I don't practice Java at the moment, that I would change the path back to the original.
I'd forgotten what the original path was, so to save the time looking here's what I did:
I went to the server VM machine, and copied the system path from there and pasted it over into my client machine.Oh I love VM.

Now I tried the ipconfig command, and it worked.
It shows all the correct information, and an address from within the scope I created.
There was no need for me to use the renew command.I'm thinking that the machine just detected a new DHCP server at startup and therefore got a new adddress.I'll have to look out for an explanation on this.

Anyway it looks good.I might be bold and change some scope options, but I don't want to get ahead of myself while there's other subjects to cover.

Now that I've bored everyone to tears , I can ask how everyone else is getting on, ok I hope :?:

Thanks

[Nelix]

I must admit flex that you seem to be learning alot better this way, I thought that this would be a better way of doing things when you mentioned it a while back. You seem to have raised some questions and managed to find the answers without any help which is a good thing. (hope that doesn't sound condesending ).

I must admit that I am following the tasks but not participating yet, mainly because I have completed the tasks set here when I set the home network up (and ran into some of the same problems too,lol), however when Lab Partners gets further down the task list I will be in there with both hands.

How's everyone else getting on?