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Old 05-Jun-2008, 10:30 PM
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It didn't matter how many times I tried or was shown I just couldn't take it in. I am someone who can learn if it really interested me and unfortunately programming didn't/doesn't sorry.

It imo was all about being very structured and completly methodical there was no work arounds which annoyed me slightly. Thats probably why it didn't interest me.

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Old 05-Jun-2008, 11:16 PM
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Yep, it is very structured, but there are usually many ways to solve a particular problem. That's where the 'freedom' comes in in selecting the best way to solve a problem.

Our IT guy at work never was into programming, but now he sees us doing it he has taken up Python and I think a bit of Java. He feels free to come over and ask us for hints and tips whenever he gets a little stuck. He has been doing this now for about three months solid, and his knowledge and skill have made a marked improvement. Even the way he reasons about situations has slightly changed; before he used to conclude on a matter in a whim, now he talks himslef through things to us and more logically comes to a conclusion. I actually don't think he has realised yet, though.

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Old 05-Jun-2008, 11:58 PM
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Our IT guy at work never was into programming, but now he sees us doing it he has taken up Python and I think a bit of Java. He feels free to come over and ask us for hints and tips whenever he gets a little stuck. He has been doing this now for about three months solid, and his knowledge and skill have made a marked improvement. Even the way he reasons about situations has slightly changed; before he used to conclude on a matter in a whim, now he talks himslef through things to us and more logically comes to a conclusion. I actually don't think he has realised yet, though.
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That sounds cool , C++ pissed me of then there was ASP and that made me want to kill people especially the bloody prof who taught it because he looked like a tramp and smelled and he never had anything useful to say.

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Very true - I suppose what I mean is that I create something that interests me, something I'd find "useful" or at least has a purpose - coding to complete a project for my degree just wasn't enough inspiration

As I said, when I get a bit of free time, I'll probably start having a look again - assuming I don't find a job before then has a requirement for scripting/programming!

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This training adviser told me that as well, but that it was a good qualification and entry point. I am doing the A+ just for the purpose of it covering a lot of essential parts of general computing, so that if/when I have the qualification, I can feel compfy about moving into programming because the topic interests me, and I done a little basic software development at college, and probably for the fact that I'm already doing the A+ deciding through it that I want to enter programming, but if I find myself half way into programming, and finding out that it really isn't for me, I can continue on with my + path branching out into Security or Network +

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It is a good qualification and entry point... for techs, not programmers.

So... you can believe what a training adviser who wants to sell you courses tells you... or you can believe those of us who are in the industry and stand to gain nothing from telling you the truth.

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Good point - that's a logical reason for continuing the A+... not because it'll help you be a programmer... but because it gives you a head-start on another path, should you decide you don't like programming.

That said... the time you're investing in the A+ could be time better spent on learning to program. Having a backup plan is great... but you won't know you like programming until you try it... why delay? Figure it out NOW so you can get a job SOONER rather than later. Every month you're not in IT is another month of real-world experience lost.

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Techs don't program, and programmers don't tech. It's two different IT jobs, mate. It'd be like applying to be an auto mechanic, and saying that you've got experience selling cars... the mechanic doesn't sell cars, and the car salesman doesn't fix them.

So would it affect job possibilities? I doubt it. Personally, if you listed both of them on your CV and applied for a job I was hiring for, I'd think you didn't know what you really wanted to do in IT. If you do decide to get them both, use the A+ for applying for techie jobs, and the programming certs for applying for programmer jobs.

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But I grant you that it is mostly true!

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